Zero Credit Score
Those of you that have followed me may be familiar with one of my personal goals. A zero credit score (let me clarify I said a zero credit score…not a low credit score). I want to take a few minutes to explain myself on this one.
To many people the idea of a zero score this sounds like financial suicide. But for those that subscribe to the debt free FinancialFreak way of handling your finances you see the bigger picture beyond the FICO score, and can also see well beyond the “pay off your debts” talk into a more prosperous future where you stack up money instead of stack up bills. Again let me clarify I said a zero score not a low score. Though they sound similar these are two completely different things. A low score shows that you’ve been financially irresponsible (that’s not good a good thing). A zero credit score shows that you do not use debt and in turn do not have to repay those debts (that is a good thing). The credit scoring system is used to calculate the likelihood of a borrower paying back what they borrow, sounds simple enough to me. Credit scores are based on many things amount of debt, debt to income, number of outstanding debts, payment history, types of credit, available credit, blah, blah, and blah. Simply put the score is a number used to represent your borrowing history and your payment history combined with a dash of “what if” representing the near future.
First off let me start by saying the credit scoring system, in my opinion, is greatly flawed and very subjective in almost every instance it’s used. The biggest issue I have is that it does not take into account one of the most basic thing needed to properly repay outstanding debts – the amount of money you have in your possession (assets) and how much money you have coming in. Now to me the first things I think of if when I make a loan would be “does this dude have a job and how much does he make?” If the answer to that question is yes and more than enough then we can go in to the person’s past repayment behavior.
To prove my point read these quotes from the myfico.comexplanation of what the credit score ignores – remember these are quotes from their web page
FICO ignores your Salary, occupation, title, employer, date employed or employment history
And another:
Any information not proven to be predictive of future credit performance
So according to FICO your “Salary, occupation, title, employer, date employed or employment” are not “predictive of future credit performance” – No wonder our lending institutions are falling faster than Dick Cheney’s hunting partner! And to think most people are making major financial decisions based on the effect it may have on this scoring system. I’m sorry, but I think “Salary, occupation, title, employer, date employed or employment history” are key factors in someone’s ability to repay money I lend them. Honestly I highly doubt they believe your income and assets are not proper indicators of your worthiness. The truth is they have no easy way of acquiring and selling this information legally.
After doing quite bit of research I have decided that there is very little need for a high credit score in my life. True, the last time I checked my credit score it was very high. This was due to the fact that I carried a good amount of various debts for many, many, years and never missed a payment The issue I ran into was that to better pay my debts, and someday create some wealth (hopefully), I had to eliminate the debts that were supporting my high credit score and eliminate them permanently. So the effect this has on my credit score is the more money I have (because I’m not supporting monthly debt payments) the lower my score will fall. So I figure if that’s the case lets shoot for ZERO! I know that may sounds crazy but unless I plan to borrow money often and repay it on regular basis there’s really little benefit in working to support this score.
So unless you plan to borrow and payback money again and again and again why would you base financial decisions on supporting your credit score? Remember these are companies that believe “Salary, occupation, title, employer, date employed or employment” is not “predictive of future credit performance.” I think I’m going to work on getting money and keeping money not work on borrowing money and paying back money. Oh, and I guess this also means at some point I’ll have a paid for house too, and to that I say “how bitchin’ would that be!”
For more on this topic my post Issues with a Zero Credit Score I discuss some of the potential setbacks I may face with after completeing this goal
So how do you feel about the credit scoring system and your credit score in particular? How do you plan to manage you credit score in the future and why? - go ahead call me a FinancialFreak, its okay…I can take it














...."so when I got home we had a talk and decided this money situation had to change. I didn’t know how I was going to change it, we were barely making enough money to cover the monthly payments so how the H-E-double-hockey-sticks was I going to fix it?"
I have a question…..If you advocate not having any credit cards how do you ever stay at a hotel or rent a car? I know hotels ask for one and wont take cash for incidentals ? How do you handle this ? And if you have a card for this purpose you would never get a zero credit score correct? Im just confused.
1I use one of my two debit cards. One is for my “regular” day to day checking account, the other is for my “emergency-ish” account.
Earlier this week I used my emergency-ish card to rent a car with out any issues (this account carries a much higher balance since I didn’t no the entire cost ahead of time I used that card so I had no chance of over drawing my checking acct.) I do the same for hotels.
I’ve not carried a CC at all for almost two years now and have never had an issue to date. I talk about it a bit in this post: http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/08/so-the-accidents-don%e2%80%99t-happen-to-you/
Hope that clears it up,
2Thanks for the comment – I love the question
I haven’t had a CC for over 2 years now. I can (and do) reserve and pay for hotels, rental cars and airline tickets with my debit card. Like you, I just make sure I have plenty in my account at the time to cover incidentals, and to cover the “hold” if the company I choose places a hold on debit cards.
2 years so far and zero problems.
3Since 1995 I have had several car loans, a boat loan and a couple of personal loans. In 2007 I paid off my car and boat loans and have not bought anything on credit since. In late 2009 I applied for a $1500 loan. Chump change compared to the other loans Id had so I figured this will be no big deal. Especially since I havent had anything bad on my credit. I applied at the same bank I had my other loans through. Sorry sir, but your credit rating is zero. What!?!? How can it be zero??? Even bad credit has a score! And I just paid off a car and a boat in 07 so what gives???
4Turns out you have to stay in almost constant debt to get and keep a good credit score. If thats what you have to do then they can take their credit score and shove it! Ive never had a CC and if I can help it I wont ever have a loan of any kind. Ill make do with cash and my debit card.