Financial Freak Show

This post was inspired by a chat about a friend mentioning cutting out the purchase of a (get this) a CD per month to help ease their financial burden. When I say “CD” I mean the music type not the investment vehicle. Apparently she has a habit of purchasing 1 new CD each month with her first paycheck she receives each month. Her thought was that with this sacrifice and her other sacrifice of cutting morning espressos to a couple times a week will lead to the financial freedom her family is seeking.

I will say this, I am proud of her for making some more “grown up” decisions regarding her finances but I honestly think this is a waste of her time…and I let her know that (I know I seriously need a better opinion filter, but whatever). I told her that I doubt a $15 CD is really hurting her finances at all. I then told her that her newer car, her new couch and her new $2600 bull dog she bought with a cash advance with her credit card were her problem. Cutting CD’s out of the budget is cute but you’d have better luck trying to pick up a turd from the clean end! Seriously though if you think squeezing $50 a month out of your budget you haven’t address the actual problem…..YOU! 

The CD’s aren’t your problem girl. Your lack of planning & your lack of discipline are your problem. If you actually want to change the way you spend money then change the way you spend your money…ALL OF IT. Don’t just change the parts that are easy. Change all the parts that are broken, change the parts that hurt, change the parts that are will truly make a difference. Don’t try to nickel and dime your way out of 20k, 50k, 100k in debt cause we all know you sure as hell didn’t get in 20k, 50k or 100 worth of debt buying CD’s so why do you think this will ever get you out (if you did get in debt buying CD’s get your butt on Craigslist tonight and start selling!) Get out there and get mad, break something…break the habits that got you to this place. If you don’t at least try you will have no one to blame but yourself. True, it may not be only your fault you ended up here but will be your fault if you stay here (especially if you don’t want to be here).

So take a lesson from my friend and stop buying those CD’s if that’s what you need to do. Then take a lesson from Vinny Financio’s real financial world and cut deep into your lifestyle to the point it hurts, stop buying all the other garbage too until you have your stupid messes cleaned up. And then we’ll go drop some cash baby!

I was posed a question about using a 401k loan to clean up someone’s financial train wreck. The mess in particular was created by buying a bunch of junk that these people didn’t really have to ability to afford at the time but did have the ability to borrow. Now they’re trying to refinance their home to lower their monthly payments to get a little breathing room. The problem is they’re now a little upside down on the home and the bank wants them to bring some cash to the table before they will allow them to re-fi the house. So they’re considering a 401k loan to make this happen. That is until I laid out to them a little more insight into how these loans work.   

They would be allowed to borrow up to 50% of the vested balance with a maximum of $50,000. That should be okay in their case because they have a balance of near $65,000 and are looking to pull about $28k.

The money in their case would be available at a 6% interest rate. The interest does go back to your account but depending on the market performance this could be a losing deal as far as growth.

The loan sort of turn offs your 401k for a period of time while you work to pay back the balance. Well you don’t turn off the entire 401k but the portion you borrowed is no longer considered part of the balance so no growth will happen to the portion you have taken out of the account.

Here’s the big reason I think 401k loans should be used only as a last resort:

If you leave your company most plans require that the balance be paid back into the account within 60 days. This comes due no matter the circumstances of your departure, if you go “Jerry Maguire” on them and walk out the door with the hot receptionist you’ve got 60 days. If you decide to leave because things get a bit uncomfortable around the office after you’ve been fired, you have 60 days. If you’re unfortunate enough to die, 60 days. If the loan is not repaid within 60 days the remaining balance is considered an early withdrawal and you will have the pleasure of paying income taxes plus a 10% early withdrawal penalty (if you’re under 59-1/2). So for many families you’re looking at a full 30%-40% tax bill due on that money. So if my friends borrow the $28,000 they needed and it blows up in their face they are looking at writing a check for $8,400 to $11,000 conveniently right around the time they lose a job. Talk about crappy timing…oh, and add that to the fact that they had to borrow money so they obviously we’re already in a less than desirable situation before they lost the job! And remeber the IRS doesn’t like to wait around for their money.

So I’m not saying a 401k loan is not an option, in some cases it may be the only option someone has to save a house or avoid a bankruptcy. I just want to throw this out there so everybody knows what road they are heading down before they board the special bus.

What’s your experience with 401k loans? Please share.

Debt is not always a bad thing to have. Though for most people and most situations it is either dumb or unnecessary. In Ron Blue’s book The Debt Squeeze he addresses when he feels it is okay to borrow money and carry the debt. He lays this out in four simple rules that I’ll summarize for you:

Rule 1: Common Sense; this rule is pretty straight forward. You need to seriously consider what this debt will do to/for your life. Will the payments stress you family, your business, yourself? Are you making a mistake at some level by bringing this into your life? Will this be a blessing now and in the future of are you signing up for another future financial disaster and just justifying it somehow? Does this purchase fit well into your financial plan and future goals?

Rule 2: A Guaranteed way to repay; this is the rule that caught my attention (it’s a good one so stay with me!)  Can you guarantee repayment for this debt? I’m not talking about promising all of next year’s paychecks, I’m talking about a guaranteed way to repay. What this means to me is not borrowing money towards things that cannot stand good for themselves. Real estate is a great example. A mortgage is secured against the value of the property itself – assuming you had a proper down payment or solid equity when purchased. If you can’t make the payments in theory the value of the asset would stand good for the debt liability. Purchasing a business may also fall into this category assuming you are buying true assets and not just a process or name.  

A car (especially new) almost never falls into the guaranteed repayment category. This is due to the value of vehicles dropping too fast. Cars almost never increase in value (well not the kind you drive anyway). So unless you are borrowing $1,000 on a $12,000 car I doubt a financed vehicle can truly stand good for the purchase on its own. I know this sucks but how many people do you know with a financed car can sell the vehicle and clear the debt with the proceeds from the day they drive it home and through the life of the loan? That’s not a guaranteed way to repay.

Sometimes you can pledge the value of one asset as collateral for another financed asset. If you have the ability to take that route then you may have fulfilled Rule #2 and if you’re okay with that then I’m okay with that!

Obviously there are many variables to consider for Rule #2 but this part of the debt decision deserves some serious consideration and some honest answers to some tricky “what if” questions. Can you remove this debt burden from your life if necessary without being kicked in your financial groin? If you can’t answer yes to that question stop right here and reconsider.

Rule 3: Peace of heart and mind; Rule 3 is a bit more spiritual than the others in my opinion. How is this debt going to make you feel? Are you going to beat yourself up over the next five years for making a quick decision? Are you going to unintentionally going to forgo some big goal in the future for a pick-me-up right now? Will you lock yourself in to a job you don’t really want because you strapped yourself with a house payment you can barely cover? Will you put off your saving for the kiddo’s college to drive a new truck? Will you be able to sleep at night after you sign on the line?

Rule 4: Unity; This rule is easy to explain. This rule relates to married folks or people partnering with someone else in one way or another. Basically what is being said here is if you’re going to be in debt you need to be on the same page with your spouse or partners on what is happening and what is going to happen in the future. That’s really it. The two of you need to have a solid agreement and commitment to carry the burden together as one.

So assuming you can come to terms on these four rules this debt may not be such a bad thing in your life. That said, if for any reason you question don’t have a solid honest answer for any of these rules you may be buying a ticket for a ride you didn’t really plan on taking. Financial decisions should be very deliberate and well thought out no matter what dollar amount is involved. Slow down, take a little time and consider all your options then move forward deliberately and cautiously – every time   

Do you agree with these 4 rules? Have you taken on debt without considering one of these principles? How’d that work out for you? Please share.

Here’s a guest post from my favorite military wife / mom. In this post she talks about her change in mindset around the extra deployment money that’ll be coming in soon from her husband heading off to do what needs to be done for those that can’t do it for themselves. For those of you not familiar with the military pay; “deployment money” is the extra pay they receive when they’re deployed…hence the name “deployment money” and to sweeten the deal many times this money comes to them tax free. Apparently they can earn a noticeable pay increase during the time they are taking on the bad guys – and in my opinion they deserve every damn penny they get!

Enjoy the following guest post – and when you get to the part about “a very wise man” and “single-handedly did something Superman and an army of super heroes couldn’t have done” remember that me she’s talking about- oh yeah!

‘Deployment money” a military wife’s favorite words. Visions of Coach Bags and spa trips dance through her head while trying to fight back the tears as her husband boards the plane. We all do it, yet most of us won’t admit it. This time though I’m taking this deployment to a whole new level. I’m on a mission to go down in the military spouse hall of fame as the one who passed the Coach bags in the Exchange and with a disdainful smirk I head to the children’s section for the half priced shoes. Ever notice they put those gorgeous bags right in the front walkway of the store? I am on the road to paying off all of our debt. All of it, all $125,000 in credit cards, car loans, and the boat. Our awesome boat – yup, the one we can’t afford to put gas in.

Thank you to a very wise man who, in a 20 minute conversation, single-handedly did something Superman and an army of super heroes couldn’t have done. Got me (of my own free will no less) to pull every credit card out of my wallet, wrap them pretty in a rubber band and throw them in a drawer I affectionately call the “junk drawer.” Fitting name huh? I then proceeded to break the news to my husband. We sat down and had what was probably the most open and honest discussion about our finances in almost nine years of marriage. We mapped out a plan TOGETHER, figured out where we could cut back, then celebrated… by eating our first dinner at home in a long time! (a personal apology to all Olive Garden shareholders).

Using my husband’s first “deployment money” that came in from a recent short trip, I paid off the lowest balance debt. Seeing that first zero was almost as exciting as a new pair of shoes. The second zero balance I have achieved almost made me… well you get it.

It’s a game now. I created a sweet little excel spreadsheet staying true to my “excel goddess” nickname that auto-calculates our totals, gives me the percentage paid down on each debt and the total percentage of debt paid off to date. Are you ready for this? 10.24% in 2 weeks. TWO WEEKS!! That’s about $12,000 of worry, stress and interest we’ll never have to pay on again!! He leaves again in a few weeks for 6 months this time. And I will sit in my office every day and secretly curse all of the women telling stories of the money they spent the past weekends on shoes, clothes and manicures, and I think of all the things our family can do with our money when he comes home. Things like a family vacation paid for with actual money. All out of our bank account instead of on credit cards. Amazing.

I have a feeling the next 6 months is going to change the rest of their lives. So do you think she can pull it off? Do you think somebody’s going to get hurt if they stand in her way?

Please take a second and add an encouraging comment.

This is for those of you that are paid on a bi-weekly basis. There are 52 weeks in a year so it works out that twice a year you’ll receive a third paycheck that month. It’s what I like to call the “Magic Month” The cool part about this is that the month isn’t any longer but the still magic happens and you take home an extra 50% – hence the name Magic Month. For Vinny Financio the magic is happening this month – right before your eyes.

Of course to make the Magic Month work for you I advise that like a true FinancialFreak you plan for this well in advance. Work these extra funds into your budget prior to getting that fat fist full of cash and take advantage of this magical windfall instead of letting it wander out of your life. No matter what your present financial situation is you can pay down some debts, shore up your big fat emergency fund, lock it away towards one of your savings goals, and maybe even blow a reasonable amount of it.

*Note I said blow a reasonable amount! As always let’s plan ahead, be responsible, have a little fun and make Mr. Financio proud. Remember we’ll likely have this same talk again in a few months so with a little discipline maybe it will be more talk about fun and less about paying debts!

While cruising around twitter I came across a guy cruising around Detriot delivering pizzas in an attempt to cruise his way out of $101,000 in debt. To keep himself sane while he’s working deliverawaydebt updates his loyal followers on how his pizza delivery world.

With tweets like his “stiffy alerts” (when folks don’t tip him) and various other customer updates I had to learn more about Jeff and his leased Hummer H3 drivin’pizza delivery story. Actual tweets from deliverawaydebt:

4/14-Delivered to the local Moose Club. I deliver to their cook every friday night. I walk in and shout JIMMY! He shouts JEFF! back. Nice

0/21 STIFFED stupid lazy lady wouldn’t get off her big butt to sign the credit card slip. Had her kid walk it 2 feet to her- LAZY!!

3/18-1/31 Thanks for the buck! I loved climbing the 75 stairs to get to you door. Hope you don’t get any bbq sauce on you, 20 wings

STIFFY ALERT!! 0/13 Guy looked like a drug dealer. Had on a watch that looked worth $10 grand plus. Prob rhinestones from the be-dazzler kit

First the Lions win today and then my first run is a 5 dollar tip. What a day!

STIFFY ALERT-lady was singing the song from Dora the Explorer. I even finished the song for her and she still stiffed me. Guess I need vocal lessons

2/13- dude was in a smoking jacket. Must’a been expecting a playboy bunny. Sorry man no dice.

$62 on 13. Made more on Sunday than Friday again. Time to go home and go to bed 5am is just around the corner

4/16-0/12.96 STIFFY ALERT yeah she counted out the 96 cents for me. Thanks lady I guess it’s back to the Coinstar machine later.

This guy is killing it for all the right reasons! – enjoy this post written by the legend himself…

Everyone who’s working on paying down their debt has a specific moment they decide to start the long and painfully journey.  For my wife and me it was a couple of months after returning from an overseas assignment in China.

In February 2007 we had taken an excellent promotion which would fast track my career and put the money we needed into our pockets so we could pay off our debt.  At this point we still had not combined our money; we’d been married about 6 months.  She was working and paying for her car, credit card, and her other bills.  I was paying all of my bills, the house, and entertainment for us.  We were two people with proportional amounts of debt given our separate incomes.  We never sat down and talked about money, we never took the time to see the totals of our debt.  I was making good money and all the bills were being paid, so there must not have been a problem.  Budget, not us we didn’t need one.  Budgets are for poor people who don’t make as much money as we do.  The new job was going to take care of the debt anyway, right?  Our thought was once the normal bills were paid everything left over would be applied directly to our debt. 

We returned to the US in March 2008.  I decided I didn’t like the job and was not the right person for the position.  Add on the fact that we really didn’t like the location.  We were 2 of 20 foreigners living among 3.8 million Chinese.  I took a demotion and returned to my old job.  Now remember the new job was going to pay off the debt we had.  Upon our return we had made zero progress on paying down the debt, wasting a whole year of opportunity.   The next major problem was that we loss of the $1,950 per month by working outside the USA.  Upon returning all overtime was eliminated, the $2,000 a month I received before the trip was now gone.  We had a deficit of almost $2,000 per month to figure out how to cover. 

My wife worked in Media Planning (marketing) before our move to China.  She could go back to work to make up our money shortage, but we also found out we were pregnant for the second time.  Day care for a young toddler and a newborn would cost us $1800 per month, wiping out any money my wife could have made.  Back to the drawing board we went.  I’d been listening to Dave Ramsey for a couple of weeks when I heard him say that delivering pizzas was a great way to make extra income.  After talking it over with my wife, we decided that I would make the sacrifice and take on a second job.  I applied and was accepted to a new pizza joint down the street.  I started delivering in May 2008. 

In January 2009, I drafted our first budget.  Following Ramsey’s advice and after reading a ton on the subject of budgeting, I was able to put everything on paper and see how the money moved in and out of our hands.  We did this for a few months and felt that we were in control but the debt wasn’t going down.  There had to be a better way.  In April 2009, my wife politely suggested we seek out some professional help (she’d been asking to do this for quite awhile, but I was the roadblock to making it happen.)  Yep, I am definitely one of those people who never ask for help.  It’s a good thing my wife knows this and stepped in to straighten me out. 

I looked for a Financial Coach on the Dave Ramsey’s website under the Endorsed Local Providers section (ELP), and found one that was in my area.  With one call to the ELP we had an appointment set up for the next week.  After our initial counseling session my wife and I were excited to get started.  We drafted a better budget and started to use it.  Two weeks later we meet with our Financial Coach and were able to fine tune it and put his system into practice.

We had a total of 3 coaching sessions and after a little over 4 months after starting our plan we had paid off over $13,000 on our debt.  Wow, looking back this was the single most valuable step we’ve taken in our quest to eliminate debt.  Now 100% of the money generated through delivering pizza is applied to our debt.  We’ve paid off both vehicles and use that extra $700 per month to eliminate the debt.  We’ve also been able to pay off another credit card giving us another $100 per month.  That totals to around $2,000 per month including the pizza money that we put toward the debt. 

My wife and started with $101,000 to eliminate.  That’s including our second mortgage and all personal, credit card, and student loan debt.  We finally feel like we are making headway, our debt free date is Oct 2011.  This will be a long in difficult road, but having a plan and working it is the only way we will get there.  Being away from my family at night is one of most difficult things I’ve had to do.  When I look into my kids eyes though, I know it will be worth it.  They will have completely funded college accounts, they will have parents who don’t argue about money, and they will learn about money at an early age and will have their Father around to play with and love them.  It’s tough, but nothing in life that really matters is easy. 

If you’re interested in reading about the day in the life of a pizza delivery driver, follow me on Twitter at @deliverawaydebt.  I tweet about the crazy things that happen during my shifts. I’ve also started a blog to write about all the fun my family is having paying off debt.  http://deliverawaydebt.com/

Thanks to FinancialFreakShow for allowing me to share my story with you

 Jeff Kosola

-post written by Jeff Kosola - Thanks Jeff, your an inspiration!

The reality is you only have the opportunity to make so much money during your life. No matter what career path you choose, no matter how much you get paid, not matter what your investments return, no matter what you inherit, no matter how totaly awesome your blog is!…there’s only so much money you’ll have access to during your lifetime.

I was thinking about this the other day when I heard two ladies complaining about their money issues while they were sitting in Starbucks drinking two $4-ish cups of coffee. You can‘t really complain about not having enough for retirement while you’re sucking down eight bucks worth of coffee (well you can but no one will really care). Even worse I went to lunch recently with a friend who was complaining about how he was broke. That’s not the annoying part though; the annoying part was that he was complaining about being broke while we were driving in his $46,000 Lexus GS350.

My point here is that in both of these cases these people were likely thinking more short term than long term or their problems really weren’t as much of a concern as they were saying it was. Either way I’m fine with it, it’s not my money they’re spending. Though this is something I think about from time to time when I’m making spending and saving decisions. Remember you only get so much money into your life. If you don’t believe me ask an older person I’m sure they’ll tell you what they think about it the idea of infinite money. Ask them if they’d take a do-over if they had the chance. Ask them if they would make spending and saving decisions differently if they could.   

So the next time you hit “4-bucks” to grab a mocha or stop by the Lexus dealer to browse think about the fact that you only get so much money between now and the end of this road trip and consider how your decisions today may fit in and affect your life a little further down the road. If you’re okay with it at that point so am I just don’t take me to Starbucks in your new Lexus and complain about how your broke because I likely won’t care too much at that point. Don’t worry though….I’ll still let you buy my coffee