Financial Freak Show

When you’ve got what’s known in the business as a “butt load” of debt, managing it can get tricky. I used to be horrible at this – Actually I wasn’t horrible at it, it was more that I didn’t really do it at all. I was slovenly, unorganized. When I decided it was time to address the issue I would scream obscenities at objects like pens, or various other office supplies. I would punch our hot water heater and throw the cat at the dog (okay, not really, I made that last part up).

To get started I first listed everything I owed in an Excel spreadsheet. It was immensely helpful to have all the info in one place. You could write it down and keep it all in a big fat Black Book of Debt if you prefer. Once I laid it all out most of the time it’s smooth sailing; I would simply just update the balances on the spreadsheets and pretty much leave the rest alone. Every now and again there was an opportunities to move around a balance. Occasionally though I’d have to get all FreakShow budget crazy making and start juggling thousands and thousands of dollars. Often these moments in budget anarchy happen for good reasons though sometimes it was due to events like my serious budget busting week or even better the follow up

During moments like this is felt more like I was trying to de-fuse a movie bomb…”is it the red wire or the blue wire? Three seconds left before the end of my financial world. Which is it Financio, the Red or the Blue?” With beads of sweat rolling down my face I would send online payments off via the inter-web while credit card and checking balances were checked and rechecked all the while hoping I didn’t just vaporize my family’s finances by sending every extra penny we had off the to the enemy. Knowing all too well that in another couple weeks I will once again sit down under intense pressure and attempt to diffuse our personal time bomb where all I can hear over the incessant pounding in my temples is the polite question of our progress from my wife and I lovingly respond with….

Iamtryingtopaythestupidbillsheredoyoumind?! Seriously, do you?!

At what point do you feel mental pain as a result of a purchase (or in the case of married folk physical pain?) How much money can you blow before you feel you need permission so your other half won’t “bring the pain?” If you’re single at what dollar amount do you feel guilty for buying something?

 Since my wife and I are trying to reach some specific financial goals we are kind of strict about any money that we blow. The dollar amount that would trigger my wives fury while we were trying to eliminate our personal debts (I know this may sound insanely low to many of you) was around $25. Do remember though that my wife is a saver by nature and I’m the one that liked to spend. Also remember that I’m talking about spending money that wasn’t in our spending plan – I’m not talking about things like food, gas, needed things around the house, car maintenance etc. – I’m talking about things we hadn’t planned for like a cool $52 sweatshirt, or a $175 replacement for the broken cell phone – you know that sort of stuff.

Now that our debts have been cleared (with help from some learned behaviors like this one) our spending threshold has now been adjusted accordingly. We’re now closer to the $80-$100 range for “free” spending. Now that we’ve worked so hard to always discuss and share our finances we usually talk about most things over $50 anyway (note that we talk about it…not fight about it). Hopefully one day with enough hard work and discipline when I surprise my wife with the new Cadillac she wants and the only discussion we’ll have will be where we’re taking it for dinner that night and who gets to drive – now there’s the spending threshold I’m shooting for!

Agreed upon spending limits is where a couple’s shared finances can really help a couple succeed over the long term due to the unavoidable accountability. How’s the saying go? “At some point he’ll have to come home!”

What dollar amount do you feel you should have agreement with your spouse before buying something as to avoid your home turning into a bad Jerry Springer episode?  If you’re single at what dollar amount do you feel you’ve let yourself down buy spending too much?

Emergency money was a key in my strategy to remove the debts from my life. In my posts To Whom the Accidents Happen and So the Accidents Don’t Happen to You, I talked about the importance of saving some money to help cushion you from some of the lumps you take just by living your life.  After reading up on the subject a bit (actually quite a bit – I knew nothing about having money in the bank) My conclusion was if I was going to lower my debt I first needed to put some money in place to prevent me from using debt to live my life every day. Now my only financial safety net is my bank account where before I used credit lines – I sleep much better now.

How long could you cover your household living expenses with your current liquid savings? This survey of 2,318 adults 18 & older asked how long people could survive on the liquid money they had available. It proves how unprepared many Americans are with less emergency money available than the professional financial nerds out there recommend.

• Less than one week 17%
• One week - one month 14%
• One month - 90 days 24%
• Three - six months 10%
• Six months or more 19%
• Declined to answer 17%

The scary numbers are the first two. 31% don’t think they could make it a month. That’s a scary state of affairs for a lot of people out there. Most advisers recommend 3-6 months in liquid money. According to this survey only a third of Americans measure up to those recommendations though it sounds like from recent reports the current economy may have scared some more money into savings accounts over the last year or so. From my experience lately though people have been spending more time whining about being broke than actually doing something about it…I guess we’ll see the next time “it rains!”

So how does  your family measure up? Post a comment and lets us know (don’t worry you can even use a fakie name if that makes you feel better about yourself)

*Survey source: LexisNexis Martindale-Hubbell’s Lawyers.com survey of 2,318 adults 18 and older.

 

When the blind lead the blind…get the hell out of the way!

Have you ever heard that saying? Well as stupid as the saying is it actually has some solid logic to behind it. When I was first working to take out my debts I got some great advice from someone that makes quite a heck of a lot more money than I do (I know that’s hard to believe). Anyway…he told me “never hire an accountant whose client list includes people that make less money than you do.” In other words always look for people that can help you grow into more than you are now instead of the opposite.  

This advice stands true with most of the advice we receive around money (and most anything else for that matter).  If somebody isn’t successful with the particular advice they’re giving why should you not be a bit skeptical?  This is exactly what many do with our money decision each day. Often we take counsel from people who make poor money decisions. Sometime it’s formal counsel like an advisor and sometimes it’s just a couple guys hanging out having a beer bs’n about a new ski boat. In either case always step back for a second and ask “where’s this information really coming from? 

In a business sales seminar I was once taught to “mentally step back” from a negotiation and pretend you are looking in on the conversation like an outsider. The idea being as an observer of both parties you get a better idea of where each party is coming from and where they’re trying to go. Whenever I receive money advice I do this as well, not in lame close my eyes and go to my “happy place” kind of way, but I try to step back and take an intentionally subjective look at what’s being said. Who’s saying it, What they’re saying, Where has their experience and/or expertise come from, Why are they really telling this to me, etc. Also you must always understand that some things rub off on us with or without an actual conversation, especially from friends and family. Always be alert to what people around you are saying and doing. If everybody around you is driving around in financed cars or living in homes with absurd mortgages you may find yourself taking their cues.  

With your money you need to be cautious of where you get your guidance. You must always be objective with new information. You must always consider who it’s coming from, where they are coming from, why they are passing these nuggets on to you, and what it has to do with you. Why would you allow people who continually make poor money decisions to advise you on your finances? Sad thing is we all do this stupid move everyday and often don’t even realize its happening.

So what steps can you take to avoid unintentionally honoring advice from broke people?

• Have a solid financial plan – you don’t have to be rich or have your plan completed but clearly knowing where you are going and how you intend to get there will help you do what you feel is correct not what others tell you is correct.
• Continue learning – the more you know the better information you will have to make more sound decisions. You don’t have to be a genius with your money but if you know more you will have more option available to you
• This is a big one….Don’t hang around with broke people! Okay, that’s a bit harsh but seriously if the people around you are not helping you reach your goals maybe you should consider how you interact with them. I’m not saying stop talking to your broke family, coworkers or friends (unless you want to, you can blame it on me I don’t mind) but if they’re dragging you out to dinner or continually convince you to do things that you really can’t afford this might be a good time to reevaluate when & where & how you spend time with certain people. They may unintentionally be creating obstacles to you reaching your goals.     

Step back and look at the advice, influence, or sales pressure and only then can you make a clear decision on your next move. Figure out what works best for you to keep yourself on track and always remember who you’re listening to because sometimes you don’t even realize you’re listening to them (and there’s a fairly reasonable chance they’re an idiot)

As a follow up to my post I Call a Do-over I wanted to discuss how my goal of a Zero Credit Score and my actions of living with no consumer debts will affect my life in the future. There are two reasons I decided to eliminate my debts and work to live on less than I make.

The first reason is because this simplifies my life greatly in several ways. One I don’t have the stress of debt hanging over me every minute of every day. Second I don’t have many bills to keep track of and pay every month (I currently pay 8 bills each month and half of those are deducted automatically).

The second reason is the big one for me. Taking debts out of the equation means my income is no longer being used to support those debts. Not paying these payments means my income is now free to invest, spend & save. When debt is sucking your income out of your hands as fast (or faster) than you earn it you cripple yourself. You spend your energy and, more importantly, your time trying to climb a mountain you have the weight of payment books trying to drag you back down. You spend your days trying to make money for someone else – I don’t like that feeling.

So by eliminating debt payments you simplify your life and free up energy and cash that can be used towards more productive goals like retirement planning and building wealth. How hard would it be to stash away 15% of your income towards retirement if you had no car payments, credit card payments, or student loan payments? If you don’t believe me calculate your debt to income ratio then swing by the local old people farm and ask them what they would do differently if they had the chance. I’m sure they’ll be more than happy to give you their take on credit cards and car payments.

A couple years ago at the very beginning of my quest to become debt free I read a small little book called Debt Free on $5 a Day (at least I think that’s what it was called, I don’t really remember it was a couple years ago). The idea behind the book was that if you set aside $5 a day, every day before anything else and applied that to your debts you would work yourself out of your money problems. At the time I thought the idea was…well how do I say this best, ”retarded?”

According to my calculations if I would have stuck to the $5 a day plan every stinking day I would be completely debt free in approximately 21,400 days. Not a bad deal…if I wanted to be debt free around my 90th birthday! Actually it’s more likely I’d be debt free well before that because at some point I’d have to kill myself over it. Of course then my wife could bank the insurance $money$. Anyway, where was I? So at the time the thought of removing all my debt at the rate of $150 a month seemed laughable, but the idea behind the book made perfect sense. The idea was to get in the habit of paying your debts before you had the opportunity to spend your money on something else. At the time I took the book at face value I think because I was desperate for a solution. Now that I look back at it the book makes perfect sense even though the numbers don’t jive. In may posts Micro Paymentality & Sick Day Bonus Pay I talk about how this exact idea can work only on a larger scale. The idea is to fight like hell to find extra money each month then apply it to your bills.

If you manage to get a grasp on your finances and put a couple of the basics into place like a household budget and an emergency fund to prevent you from needing more credit to get by, the $5 a day idea could actually work. No matter how much you can manage to eek out of your budget, as long as you can eek out something, if you put it towards your debts before you allow it to wander out of your life, and assuming you don’t rack up any new debt, you’ll eventually become debt free. Though in my case I busted it and used what I affectionately call the Vinny Financio’s Debt Free on $60 a Day Plan and it worked. I guess I was just a little too impatient to wait until I was 90 or dead to live like this.

I was posed a question about using a 401k loan to clean up someone’s financial train wreck. The mess in particular was created by buying a bunch of junk that these people didn’t really have to ability to afford at the time but did have the ability to borrow. Now they’re trying to refinance their home to lower their monthly payments to get a little breathing room. The problem is they’re now a little upside down on the home and the bank wants them to bring some cash to the table before they will allow them to re-fi the house. So they’re considering a 401k loan to make this happen. That is until I laid out to them a little more insight into how these loans work.   

They would be allowed to borrow up to 50% of the vested balance with a maximum of $50,000. That should be okay in their case because they have a balance of near $65,000 and are looking to pull about $28k.

The money in their case would be available at a 6% interest rate. The interest does go back to your account but depending on the market performance this could be a losing deal as far as growth.

The loan sort of turn offs your 401k for a period of time while you work to pay back the balance. Well you don’t turn off the entire 401k but the portion you borrowed is no longer considered part of the balance so no growth will happen to the portion you have taken out of the account.

Here’s the big reason I think 401k loans should be used only as a last resort:

If you leave your company most plans require that the balance be paid back into the account within 60 days. This comes due no matter the circumstances of your departure, if you go “Jerry Maguire” on them and walk out the door with the hot receptionist you’ve got 60 days. If you decide to leave because things get a bit uncomfortable around the office after you’ve been fired, you have 60 days. If you’re unfortunate enough to die, 60 days. If the loan is not repaid within 60 days the remaining balance is considered an early withdrawal and you will have the pleasure of paying income taxes plus a 10% early withdrawal penalty (if you’re under 59-1/2). So for many families you’re looking at a full 30%-40% tax bill due on that money. So if my friends borrow the $28,000 they needed and it blows up in their face they are looking at writing a check for $8,400 to $11,000 conveniently right around the time they lose a job. Talk about crappy timing…oh, and add that to the fact that they had to borrow money so they obviously we’re already in a less than desirable situation before they lost the job! And remeber the IRS doesn’t like to wait around for their money.

So I’m not saying a 401k loan is not an option, in some cases it may be the only option someone has to save a house or avoid a bankruptcy. I just want to throw this out there so everybody knows what road they are heading down before they board the special bus.

What’s your experience with 401k loans? Please share.