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As a follow up to my post I Call a Do-over I wanted to discuss how my goal of a Zero Credit Score and my actions of living with no consumer debts will affect my life in the future. There are two reasons I decided to eliminate my debts and work to live on less than I make.

The first reason is because this simplifies my life greatly in several ways. One I don’t have the stress of debt hanging over me every minute of every day. Second I don’t have many bills to keep track of and pay every month (I currently pay 8 bills each month and half of those are deducted automatically).

The second reason is the big one for me. Taking debts out of the equation means my income is no longer being used to support those debts. Not paying these payments means my income is now free to invest, spend & save. When debt is sucking your income out of your hands as fast (or faster) than you earn it you cripple yourself. You spend your energy and, more importantly, your time trying to climb a mountain you have the weight of payment books trying to drag you back down. You spend your days trying to make money for someone else – I don’t like that feeling.

So by eliminating debt payments you simplify your life and free up energy and cash that can be used towards more productive goals like retirement planning and building wealth. How hard would it be to stash away 15% of your income towards retirement if you had no car payments, credit card payments, or student loan payments? If you don’t believe me calculate your debt to income ratio then swing by the local old people farm and ask them what they would do differently if they had the chance. I’m sure they’ll be more than happy to give you their take on credit cards and car payments.

I was posed a question about using a 401k loan to clean up someone’s financial train wreck. The mess in particular was created by buying a bunch of junk that these people didn’t really have to ability to afford at the time but did have the ability to borrow. Now they’re trying to refinance their home to lower their monthly payments to get a little breathing room. The problem is they’re now a little upside down on the home and the bank wants them to bring some cash to the table before they will allow them to re-fi the house. So they’re considering a 401k loan to make this happen. That is until I laid out to them a little more insight into how these loans work.   

They would be allowed to borrow up to 50% of the vested balance with a maximum of $50,000. That should be okay in their case because they have a balance of near $65,000 and are looking to pull about $28k.

The money in their case would be available at a 6% interest rate. The interest does go back to your account but depending on the market performance this could be a losing deal as far as growth.

The loan sort of turn offs your 401k for a period of time while you work to pay back the balance. Well you don’t turn off the entire 401k but the portion you borrowed is no longer considered part of the balance so no growth will happen to the portion you have taken out of the account.

Here’s the big reason I think 401k loans should be used only as a last resort:

If you leave your company most plans require that the balance be paid back into the account within 60 days. This comes due no matter the circumstances of your departure, if you go “Jerry Maguire” on them and walk out the door with the hot receptionist you’ve got 60 days. If you decide to leave because things get a bit uncomfortable around the office after you’ve been fired, you have 60 days. If you’re unfortunate enough to die, 60 days. If the loan is not repaid within 60 days the remaining balance is considered an early withdrawal and you will have the pleasure of paying income taxes plus a 10% early withdrawal penalty (if you’re under 59-1/2). So for many families you’re looking at a full 30%-40% tax bill due on that money. So if my friends borrow the $28,000 they needed and it blows up in their face they are looking at writing a check for $8,400 to $11,000 conveniently right around the time they lose a job. Talk about crappy timing…oh, and add that to the fact that they had to borrow money so they obviously we’re already in a less than desirable situation before they lost the job! And remeber the IRS doesn’t like to wait around for their money.

So I’m not saying a 401k loan is not an option, in some cases it may be the only option someone has to save a house or avoid a bankruptcy. I just want to throw this out there so everybody knows what road they are heading down before they board the special bus.

What’s your experience with 401k loans? Please share.

I’m often asked how does someone function in our current world without the use of a stack of credit cards. Hopefully this page will help clarify why I feel the way I do and how it is possible to function in our society without using or relying on credit cards.

PART 1.

My lack of credit cards (the why)

Living without a credit card is actually not very complicated. In my opinion it’s actually more simple than living with one. I have now been without a credit card for over two years and have not had to change my lifestyle because of it – well atleast not in a negative way.

First I want to discuss the reasons why I don’t use credit cards. For many people who have “credit card problems” the reason is usually self control or a lack of financial knowledge. Credit cards are often used as a financial crutch to help people limp along when they don’t actually have the money to cover a purchase they can’t resist or truly need in the case of an emergency. Many people can manage credit cards without getting into any major trouble. This was the case for me personally, my credit cards and balances they carried were far from the point of blowing up our finances and we had no trouble handling the payments each month. I was even able to enjoy some of the “rewards” these cards offered to me.

So why did I decide to remove the cards from my wallet if they weren’t causing any problems and was reaping some rewards?  Well folks there were a few reasons…

I didn’t like the feeling of paying for last month’s expenses this month. I hated sending off  money I just received to pay for things I didn’t posses any longer. Even though I may have been able to pay the balances down to zero each month I still felt like my finances were a month behind. The weight of any debt no matter how small has a way wearing on me. The truth is carrying debt takes energy from your life even if it’s only the energy needed to check the statement and send the payment.

Overspending; a Dunn and Bradstreet study is often quoted in blogs, and the major media. The study reports on average you’ll spend 12-18% more when making a purchase with a credit card as opposed to cash. And to prove their point they noted the average McDonald’s transaction increased from $4.50 with cash to $7.00 when credit was used. When they looked at vending machines, the average transaction size nearly doubled. Now for me I don’t doubt that I unintentionally spent more using plastic at times (I’ve been guilty of supersizing my life a time or two!) I know for a fact I’ve done this with the thought that I’d be getting more perks by adding to what I charge. So even though this was not the key factor for dumping my cards it was defiantly a consideration.    

Paying interest; this is an easy one in my opinion. Why would you save money at low checking or saving account interest rates while carrying a high interest balance on unsecured debt? It just doesn’t make sense to me – why pay interest when with a bit of planning you could be receiving interest? I never quite understood why people will say “don’t pay off you mortgage because you can make more in the stock market” and then use credit cards with 10%-30% interest rates. But it works for you have at it

I also saw no benefit to using a credit card. I know they offered me points, and insurance, and extended warranties and cash back, but to me I realized I was putting up with the issues above and found myself never getting any real benefit from all the extras they were offering me in exchange for dealing with the negatives. And as far as the convenience factor, well to be honest my credit cards weren’t anymore convenient than my debit card.  This was the big reason I now have no credit cards in my wallet…they do nothing for me, I didn’t see the so called “benefits”

This was my biggest reason….Why spend your time trying to outsmart the credit card companies? This is what they do for a living and they are better at it than I will ever be. True some people can beat them at their own game, charge up the month on credit, pay it off on the 30^th, never pay fees, never pay interest, and collect the rewards points at the end of the month.  If that’s how you roll and how you want to spend your time and energy. I’d much rather spend my time chillaxin and not worrying about trying to outsmart them while they’re trying to outsmart me. I’m not saying you can’t outsmart these folks but I am saying it’s a lot of damn work! 

This was the big reason…. So to briefly summarize why I don’t use credit cards…I don’t like to pay interest, I don’t like to being tempted to over spend, I don’t like the hassle of making the payments on time, and finally I never really received any benefit from the incentives they offered. So basically it came down to multiple negatives and no real positives.

Let’s put it this way….Let’s say you were dating a credit card. She charged high fees when you used her and possibly charged you when you didn’t use her, then tempted you to do things that weren’t in your best interest like overspending, then she drove you crazy by making you pay her a 25 days after the fun was over or risk having to pay her even more, then she offered you restricted “benefits” and “rewards” that you didn’t really care to use and if at any point you fail to keep your promises in the relationship she will call incessantly, threaten you then ultimately drag you into court and win. Then after you and her work out all your monetary issues you realized she never really cared about you in the first place and was only after your money – I don’t think that’s a very healthy relationship. Sorry, no matter how good that hot little number looked being flaunted around town with me I’d have to break it off!

To reinforce my thoughts around credit cards but with a little less Vinny Financio I want to refer back to my post So When is Debt Okay?  In this post I lay out four things to consider when determining if a debt is okay. Rule 1: Common Sense Rule 2: A Guaranteed way to repay Rule 3: Peace of heart and mind Rule 4: Unity;

In my opinion credit cards do not satisfy the four rules outlining when it is okay to borrow. Well it could fit into rules #1, #3 & #4 Common Sense, Peace of Mind & Unity. Though this all depends on your household situation but in my household we came to “Unity” on the fact that we didn’t see the “Common Sense” in borrowing money day to day and coming to that agreement gave us “Peace of Mind” knowing we were always living on what we had. As for Rule #2 Guaranteed Way to Repay; most credit cards I know of don’t have this guarantee built into them. They are only guaranteed by your future income but your future income is only guaranteed to the point that you have sufficient income. Lose your income and you have no guarantee there for it’s not a “Guaranteed Way to Repay.” Credit Cards are not secured by any real property which is why credit cards are referred to as unsecured debt.

I only have one more point to make regarding using any form of debt in your day-to-day life. This one though is intangible and hard to quantify with numbers. The feelings & emotions people feel around having debt in general. In several of my posts I’ve shared the experience others have had with their own personal battles with debt. Here are a few of those quotes:

Being away from my family at night is one of most difficult things I’ve had to do.  When I look into my kids eyes though, I know it will be worth it.  - Jeff, Deliver Away Debt

and I think of all our family can do with our money when he comes home. Things like a family vacation paid for with actual money. Out of our checking account and not on credit cards. Amazing.  - Military Mom, Deployment Money

he called me the day after our discussion and let me know he cleaned out his wallet to make room for some cash instead. 8 days later he’s still on the wagon as he puts it. I told him he sounds like a recovering crack head, he said that’s about how he feels.  - Mark, 8-days Clean

Now that I’ve laid all this out there for you I want to finish with the thought that you’re all big boys and you can make your own big boy decisions about your finances but that’s my $.02

Part 2.

Living without credit cards (the how)

Once I decided I was no longer going to depend on credit cards as a way of making purchases I needed to come up with another option that would allow me to make all the purchases I needed to without cramping my style too much.

There were a couple issues I took consideration before I got rid of all my cards. How was I going to have access to my money anytime & anywhere?  Second how can you function without a credit card, especially since I travel a bit and my wife almost is never carrying much cash? Here is what I came up with and so far it has worked flawlessly for us.

The first thing I did was create a place to stash the money. Since I wanted to have access to this money with the same ease as using a credit card I went for an account with a debit card. I opened a high interest free checking account at a local credit union. This is not the same place we have our primary checking account we use for everyday expenses though. I chose a different bank for our emergency savings for two reasons. One, I wanted to make sure the debit cards we were issued were Mastercard card since our primary debit cards were Visa. Two, I wanted to be linked to a different banking system. Both of these reasons were to ensure that I always had access to money if either Mastercard or Visa had problems or if either of the banks were having technical problems for one reason or another. After working with a credit card fraud team for some time and on the back end of a couple e-commerce websites I realized how inconvenient those issues are and how easily they can arise through no actions of your own. So far to date I haven’t had any issues getting access to my money. 

Now that we had a place to stash the money it was time to actually put some money in there. I first opened the account with $1200 we had set aside in our regular savings account. Now that I was going to only rely on this money instead of relying on this money and credit to get by I know I needed to add to this account as quickly as possible. So for a few months any money we could manage to pull out of our budget went directly into that saving account. At the time I was also working a second job to help knock out our debts too, so any money I made there went into this account as soon as we got a hold of it. This all quickly added up to several thousand dollars and now there’s even more. The funny thing is there is more money in there now than I ever had available on my credit cards.   

This new account was only to be used for an emergency and we BOTH had to agree this was an emergency. Since our marriage is based on trust and shared goals there is no issue with us both having easy access to the money. We trusted each other not to let the other down. Plus if either of us was going to screw this up it was probably going to be me.       

So at this point the only thing left to do is stick to our plan. To date we’ve not had any issues that have made me second guess this plan. We’ve traveled, we’ve rented several cars, we’ve bought things over the internet, basically we’ve have done most everything everybody swears they need a credit card but have done it with a debit card. If somebody were to steal my money or I have to disagree with a transaction (both of which I’ve had happen btw) I just grab my other debit card and put gas in the car just like you would with a credit card but without needing to pay it back next month.

To sum it all up….

1. We have more money available; like I said we have more in the account than we ever had available on our cards.
2. We now earn interest, not a lot but it is adding up. True we didn’t set this money aside for growth but it is a nice bonus to the deal.
3. We’re never owe anybody at the end of the month and if something were to self destruct in our financial lives we won’t be borrowing money at the exact time it gets most difficult to pay it back.
4. We have no need to use credit cards and no need to deal with the card companies – I don’t have any personal credit card horror stories but I sure don’t want to start any

People wonder how I can function without a credit card….I wonder why they can’t?

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No, this isn’t a post about selling drugs to pay down your debts, though that could work pretty well until “the man” comes looking for you. Of  course once they catch up with you and slap you in prison for the rest of your life you probably won’t care much about repaying CitiBank.

If you follow my posts you will know that I recently sat my lazy butt  down on the couch and watched the entire 2-hour Cocaine Cowboys documentary. For those of you familiar with this program you’ll know that the people interviewed and discussed in this program worked diligently for years to become the best in the cocaine importers in the world.

So the question that came to my FinancialFreak mind after watching this program was what made these guys so special, how did these guys become the best in the business while others were being mowed down in the streets. Two things come to mind. They showed persistence and they performed with excellence, they paid attention to every last detail. These people never gave up, they were absolutely relentless. When they failed at a drop or a pick up they made corrections and went at it again.

Here is an excellent example of what made them so effective. According to a pilot being interviewed they came up with a plan to drop large bundles of cocaine fitted with radio beacons into the water off the coast of Florida from a plane then retrieve them by speed boat. Apparently they had an issue with the suppliers taking shortcuts while packaging the product so as soon as the first drop hit the water the bundles exploded spreading a couple million dollars with worth of high grade cocaine into the Gulf of Mexico. Here is where the persistence part comes in. Do you think this was their last attempt at this plan? Of course not these guys are grade A hustlers. So after delivering a couple mil’ worth of dope to the fishes they tried again. They readdressed the issue with their Colombian suppliers and demanded new packaging for a second attempt. Again the bundles leaked and the drugs were destroyed. So do you think this was their last attempt at the plan? Nope, again they contacted the suppliers had them fix the issue and after two tries and several million dollars in losses they finally got it right.

So through their persistence they became the first guys to move massive amounts of Colombian coke into Florida. While striving for excellence in their chosen trade they only got better at this. The point here is that they never let up, they never folded, and they never stopped fighting, they kept throwing punches until ”the man” finally took them down.  Most people don’t even begin the fight to create excellence in thier lives let alone stay with it. This brings me to my question for you….

Why are you not the biggest, baldest hustler in your city? Let me know what you should be doing better in your life but haven’t displayed the excellence or persistence these guys have?

It’s pretty easy to pick some goals  then get off your butt and begin working towards them. It’s also just as easy to focus on too many goals at once. In a previous post Take Aim & Kill It I talk about focusing all your financial resources at your smallest debt and working to eliminate it as rapidly as possible. Here I want to talk about why focusing on your debts now is important to reaching those larger goals further in the distance.

A contractor friend once told me this quote:

When you come across an electrical problem and a plumbing problem…don’t try to fix them both at the same time!

In other words don’t try to do too many things at once. I decided I would be better served by focusing on debts now which has allowed me to focus more on financing my retirement and reaching those larger goals. I once heard a story about a apartment maintenance man that bought his employer’s apartment complex with cash and managed to retire with over $3 million in the bank years later (that story could be  total B.S. but I did hear it). Well the story goes like this…He saved his butt off and even though he wasn’t making a ton of money over time he managed to save up enough dough to buy the small apartment complex he worked at and began creating some wealth. That’s pretty much the story. Instead of spending his money he saved his money and as the story goes eventually had enough dough to make a big fat real estate purchase. My guess is this person was a pretty simple dude and probably kept himself out of debt (I don’ see any other way he could really save up a ton of money like this). The obvious advantage though is that he was able to use his income to build something instead of paying for crap he bought in the past + interest.

Even if the story I heard was total B.S. the theory’s still valid. Freeing up your income by clearing your debts will allow you to stash away more money and collect interest instead of paying interest. Do that long enough and large enough and you could eventually turn that stack of money into investments to replace your income and build some wealth.  In my post I Call a Do-over I talk about some other advantages to freeing yourself from your everyday debts. As long as your income keeps going towards interest payments on credit cards and cars its going to be hard to use this money for much of anything else (it’s hard to save it if you don’t really get to keep it). So by wiping out my debts I’m now able to save and invest money much more aggressively because I actually have more available money now. 

I’m a long way from paying cash for my an apartment building but I’m a whole lot closer now that my money stays with me at the end of the month.  Freeing up my income has now given me access to the one tool I need to begin building some wealth, my income. 

If you were able to free yourself up from monthly debt payments what would you do with all that money?

While cruising around twitter I came across a guy cruising around Detriot delivering pizzas in an attempt to cruise his way out of $101,000 in debt. To keep himself sane while he’s working deliverawaydebt updates his loyal followers on how his pizza delivery world.

With tweets like his “stiffy alerts” (when folks don’t tip him) and various other customer updates I had to learn more about Jeff and his leased Hummer H3 drivin’pizza delivery story. Actual tweets from deliverawaydebt:

4/14-Delivered to the local Moose Club. I deliver to their cook every friday night. I walk in and shout JIMMY! He shouts JEFF! back. Nice

0/21 STIFFED stupid lazy lady wouldn’t get off her big butt to sign the credit card slip. Had her kid walk it 2 feet to her- LAZY!!

3/18-1/31 Thanks for the buck! I loved climbing the 75 stairs to get to you door. Hope you don’t get any bbq sauce on you, 20 wings

STIFFY ALERT!! 0/13 Guy looked like a drug dealer. Had on a watch that looked worth $10 grand plus. Prob rhinestones from the be-dazzler kit

First the Lions win today and then my first run is a 5 dollar tip. What a day!

STIFFY ALERT-lady was singing the song from Dora the Explorer. I even finished the song for her and she still stiffed me. Guess I need vocal lessons

2/13- dude was in a smoking jacket. Must’a been expecting a playboy bunny. Sorry man no dice.

$62 on 13. Made more on Sunday than Friday again. Time to go home and go to bed 5am is just around the corner

4/16-0/12.96 STIFFY ALERT yeah she counted out the 96 cents for me. Thanks lady I guess it’s back to the Coinstar machine later.

This guy is killing it for all the right reasons! – enjoy this post written by the legend himself…

Everyone who’s working on paying down their debt has a specific moment they decide to start the long and painfully journey.  For my wife and me it was a couple of months after returning from an overseas assignment in China.

In February 2007 we had taken an excellent promotion which would fast track my career and put the money we needed into our pockets so we could pay off our debt.  At this point we still had not combined our money; we’d been married about 6 months.  She was working and paying for her car, credit card, and her other bills.  I was paying all of my bills, the house, and entertainment for us.  We were two people with proportional amounts of debt given our separate incomes.  We never sat down and talked about money, we never took the time to see the totals of our debt.  I was making good money and all the bills were being paid, so there must not have been a problem.  Budget, not us we didn’t need one.  Budgets are for poor people who don’t make as much money as we do.  The new job was going to take care of the debt anyway, right?  Our thought was once the normal bills were paid everything left over would be applied directly to our debt. 

We returned to the US in March 2008.  I decided I didn’t like the job and was not the right person for the position.  Add on the fact that we really didn’t like the location.  We were 2 of 20 foreigners living among 3.8 million Chinese.  I took a demotion and returned to my old job.  Now remember the new job was going to pay off the debt we had.  Upon our return we had made zero progress on paying down the debt, wasting a whole year of opportunity.   The next major problem was that we loss of the $1,950 per month by working outside the USA.  Upon returning all overtime was eliminated, the $2,000 a month I received before the trip was now gone.  We had a deficit of almost $2,000 per month to figure out how to cover. 

My wife worked in Media Planning (marketing) before our move to China.  She could go back to work to make up our money shortage, but we also found out we were pregnant for the second time.  Day care for a young toddler and a newborn would cost us $1800 per month, wiping out any money my wife could have made.  Back to the drawing board we went.  I’d been listening to Dave Ramsey for a couple of weeks when I heard him say that delivering pizzas was a great way to make extra income.  After talking it over with my wife, we decided that I would make the sacrifice and take on a second job.  I applied and was accepted to a new pizza joint down the street.  I started delivering in May 2008. 

In January 2009, I drafted our first budget.  Following Ramsey’s advice and after reading a ton on the subject of budgeting, I was able to put everything on paper and see how the money moved in and out of our hands.  We did this for a few months and felt that we were in control but the debt wasn’t going down.  There had to be a better way.  In April 2009, my wife politely suggested we seek out some professional help (she’d been asking to do this for quite awhile, but I was the roadblock to making it happen.)  Yep, I am definitely one of those people who never ask for help.  It’s a good thing my wife knows this and stepped in to straighten me out. 

I looked for a Financial Coach on the Dave Ramsey’s website under the Endorsed Local Providers section (ELP), and found one that was in my area.  With one call to the ELP we had an appointment set up for the next week.  After our initial counseling session my wife and I were excited to get started.  We drafted a better budget and started to use it.  Two weeks later we meet with our Financial Coach and were able to fine tune it and put his system into practice.

We had a total of 3 coaching sessions and after a little over 4 months after starting our plan we had paid off over $13,000 on our debt.  Wow, looking back this was the single most valuable step we’ve taken in our quest to eliminate debt.  Now 100% of the money generated through delivering pizza is applied to our debt.  We’ve paid off both vehicles and use that extra $700 per month to eliminate the debt.  We’ve also been able to pay off another credit card giving us another $100 per month.  That totals to around $2,000 per month including the pizza money that we put toward the debt. 

My wife and started with $101,000 to eliminate.  That’s including our second mortgage and all personal, credit card, and student loan debt.  We finally feel like we are making headway, our debt free date is Oct 2011.  This will be a long in difficult road, but having a plan and working it is the only way we will get there.  Being away from my family at night is one of most difficult things I’ve had to do.  When I look into my kids eyes though, I know it will be worth it.  They will have completely funded college accounts, they will have parents who don’t argue about money, and they will learn about money at an early age and will have their Father around to play with and love them.  It’s tough, but nothing in life that really matters is easy. 

If you’re interested in reading about the day in the life of a pizza delivery driver, follow me on Twitter at @deliverawaydebt.  I tweet about the crazy things that happen during my shifts. I’ve also started a blog to write about all the fun my family is having paying off debt.  http://deliverawaydebt.com/

Thanks to FinancialFreakShow for allowing me to share my story with you

 Jeff Kosola

-post written by Jeff Kosola - Thanks Jeff, your an inspiration!

A coworker of mine isn’t quite buying into the whole “eliminate all your debts so you can easily afford to fund you retirement plans and build wealth” idea. So we we’re discussing what is a manageable amount of debt if you’re not going to suck it up, focus, and go all the way and instead take a more half-assed approach and just sort of eliminate some of your debts (most likely temporarily though). I decided that I would look into the numbers for him anyway because any money discussion can be a good discussion for most and it can’t hurt to get a better idea of what many feel is normal debt (well broke people call it normal).

After a fair amount of un-reliable research on personal Debt to Income ratios here are some numbers I came up with – remember your home mortgage payment is also included in these numbers, no cheating here

45% or higher debt to income – Things are scary (you probably already knew that). You are walking too close to the edge and some drastic measures should be taken to address the issue.

35% to 45% debt to income - You’re still walking close to the edge but not quite as close as above. Don’t slip up here though since you likely have no cash cushion you’re one mis-step away from stumbling into serious trouble. Now is the time to make some changes while you still have a little breathing room.

30% to 35% debt to income - You’re probably feeling like you’re in pretty good control of things compared to your peers and lucky you they’re offering to help you run up debt as fast as they can get the offers into your mailbox. This area is manageable and should allow you to fund retirement at a reasonable level (especially with employer matches in place)

30% of below debt to income – Below 30% you looking solid! This means you pay 30% or less on your debts each year. You could save 15% towards retirement, pay all your debt payments and still have 45% of your money for all your other junk.

So take minute, pull up your little list you created here: No shortcuts here, now let’s calculate you debt to income ratio. For the steps to do this read check out Calculate your Debt to Income Ratio and see where you stand. This should help you plan your next steps accordingly, remember the more information you have to work with the better decisions you can make.