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		<title>Frontline Credit Card History</title>
		<link>http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/10/frontline-credit-card-history/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vinny Financio</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man, I’m glad I don’t deal with credit card companies any more! I’m not here to bad mouth these guys but it does reinforce to me why I found other options]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man I’m glad I don’t have to deal with credit card companies any more. Sunday evening I was catching up on my laziness and decided to watch an old episode of <em>Frontline</em> titled the <em>Secret History of the Credit Card. </em>No, I don’t normally make a habit of relaxing to episodes of highly biased news programs from 2004 but I figured you FinancialFreaks might benefit from my pain – so I took one for the team!</p>
<p>The program itself started out by revealing the history of how credit card companies positioned themselves to take advantage of a lack of regulation in some states. They then went on to discuss how the companies then came to exploit the lack of regulation to take care advantage of the consumer/borrower (told you they were biased…but then again so am I).  I’m not going to suck the life out of you with the intricacies if the credit card business here today but I will say the more I pay attention to the business the more I wonder, aside from the stock holders, who is really benefiting from their practices. The one thing I found surprising was how many ex-credit card industry professionals came out to speak against industry practices.  </p>
<p>Now I’m not here to completely bad mouth these guys but it does reinforce to me why I choose to find other options than credit cards. Remember these consumers, including myself, signed up for this ride and if you don’t understand the contract maybe you shouldn’t be so quick to <a title="29% Interest, Are You Kidding Me?" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/08/are-you-kidding-me/">sign on the line</a>. I am personally a share holder in several banks through my mutual funds so I love it that people several million people can’t control themselves almost to the point of bankruptcy then manage to fight their way back through 30% interest rates and late fees then immediately jump back on board for another trip. To that I say….YEEHAW boys! Let’s ride these hogs all the way to retirement on the backs of out of control consumers trying like hell to save the embarrassment of a low credit score! Keep it up suckers, <a title="The Old Family Sedan" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/09/the-family-sedan/ " target="_blank">daddy needs a new Maserati</a>!   </p>
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<p>So if you have 40-ish minutes of your life you won’t regret spending on the couch and you have an odd fascination with money, business &amp; credit click here: <a title="Frontline" href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/" target="_blank">FRONTLINE: <em>Secret History of the Credit Card</em></a> or even better read my <a title="Credit Card Debate" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/credit-card-debate/">Credit Card Debate</a> page to learn how you don&#8217;t have to ever deal with them if you don&#8217;t want to.</p>



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		<title>Credit Card Use Dissuades Saving for Emergencies</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vinny Financio</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to go without credit cards you need to break the cycle of spending vs. saving. A card to fall back on dissuades you from building an emergency fund]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was talking to <a title="8-Days Clean" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/09/8-days-clean/" target="_blank">Mark</a> (the proudly self proclaimed Financial Retard) about how he was getting by without using his credit cards over the past few weeks.  He said a funny thing happened when he pulled the cards out of his wallet, for the first time in many years he had the feeling that he needed to save more. As it turns out he was pretty freaked out by the fact that he didn’t have his “debt safety net” to fall back on. Mark was used to always having a $1,000 or so in available credit just in case something popped up. Now that he was no longer carting those cards he was only relying only on the money in his bank account.</p>
<p>Having a credit card to fall back on can dissuade you from building a proper emergency fund. I think this happens for a couple reasons. First, with credit you already have a safety net in place. That’s actually one of the reasons many people get credit cards in the first place. Though this can quickly blow up in your face because you could be taking on debt at the exact time it gets most difficult to pay it back. It amazes me how many people grab their credit cards right after a job loss and began using high interest cash advances for everyday life at the exact worse time to be borrowing money. I think having the cards as a safety net allows people to feel like they’re covered so the urgency to save really isn’t there.</p>
<p>Second, I think another reason people don’t build emergency savings when they use cards is because they’re constantly working to clear the debts. Instead of making savings a priority they make keeping up with the card balances a priority. The more debt they have on their cards the less they have available to save and the more likely they’ll need the cards to cover their butts again and so the cycle continues.  </p>
<p>At some point if you want to go with out credit cards you need to break the cycle of spending instead of saving. I personally <a title="Credit Card $.02" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/credit-card-debate/" target="_blank">stashed away a little dough</a> to use for future “emergencies” then stopped using the cards. Once I stopped using the cards and had some real money in the bank to fall back on all I really had to do was eliminate the balances and at that point I was done with the credit card cycle. I had no use for them anymore. I now have an emergency fund with more money available to me than I ever had available on my credit cards…oh and it’s earning interest too.</p>
<p>The good news is Mark has decided, for the first time ever, to start saving. He’s now quickly building an emergency fund since this’ll be his only safety net going forward. It looks like with a little encouragement and some discipline our buddy <a title="8-Days Clean" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/09/8-days-clean/" target="_self">Mark</a> won’t be “financially retarded” too much longer…at least that’s the plan.</p>
<p><strong>So what’s your plan for dealing with credit cards, do you want them gone, do you really need them around? Let me know how you feel about this.</strong></p>



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		<title>What&#8217;s Your Spending Threshold?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vinny Financio</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[How much money can you blow before you feel you need permission so your other half won’t bring the pain? At what dollar amount do you feel guilty for buying something?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At what point do you feel mental pain as a result of a purchase (or in the case of married folk physical pain?) How much money can you blow before you feel you need permission so your other half won’t “bring the pain?” If you’re single at what dollar amount do you feel guilty for buying something?</p>
<p> Since my wife and I are trying to reach some specific financial goals we are kind of strict about any money that we blow. The dollar amount that would trigger my wives fury while we were trying to eliminate our personal debts (I know this may sound insanely low to many of you) was around $25. Do remember though that my wife is a saver by nature and I’m the one that liked to spend. Also remember that I’m talking about spending money that wasn’t in our spending plan – I&#8217;m not talking about things like food, gas, needed things around the house, car maintenance etc. – I’m talking about things we hadn’t planned for like a cool $52 sweatshirt, or a $175 replacement for the broken cell phone – you know that sort of stuff.</p>
<p>Now that our debts have been cleared (with help from some learned behaviors like this one) our spending threshold has now been adjusted accordingly. We&#8217;re now closer to the $80-$100 range for &#8220;free&#8221; spending. Now that we&#8217;ve worked so hard to always discuss and share our finances we usually talk about most things over $50 anyway (note that we talk about it&#8230;not fight about it). Hopefully one day with enough hard work and discipline when I surprise my wife with the new Cadillac she wants and the only discussion we’ll have will be where we’re taking it for dinner that night and who gets to drive – now there’s the spending threshold I’m shooting for!</p>
<p>Agreed upon spending limits is where a couple’s shared finances can really help a couple succeed over the long term due to the unavoidable accountability. How’s the saying go? “At some point he’ll have to come home!”</p>
<p><strong>What dollar amount do you feel you should have agreement with your spouse before buying something as to avoid your home turning into a bad <a title="Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!" href="http://www.jerryspringertv.com/" target="_blank">Jerry Springer </a>episode?  If you’re single at what dollar amount do you feel you’ve let yourself down buy spending too much? </strong></p>



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		<title>Emergency Stash</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vinny Financio</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I was going to lower my debt I first needed to put some money in place to prevent me from using debt to live my life every day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emergency money was a key in my strategy to remove the debts from my life. In my posts <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a title="To Whom the Accidenst Happen" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/08/whom-accidents-happen/" target="_blank">To Whom the Accidents Happen</a></span> and <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a title="So the Accidents Don't Happen to You" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/08/so-the-accidents-don%e2%80%99t-happen-to-you/" target="_blank">So the Accidents Don’t Happen to You</a></span>, I talked about the importance of saving some money to help cushion you from some of the lumps you take just by living your life.  After reading up on the subject a bit (actually quite a bit – I knew nothing about having money in the bank) My conclusion was if I was going to lower my debt I first needed to put some money in place to prevent me from using debt to live my life every day. Now my only financial safety net is my bank account where before I used credit lines – I sleep much better now.</p>
<p>How long could you cover your household living expenses with your current liquid savings? This survey of 2,318 adults 18 &amp; older asked how long people could survive on the liquid money they had available. It proves how unprepared many Americans are with less emergency money available than the professional financial nerds out there recommend.</p>
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<li><strong>Less than one week 17%</strong></li>
<li><strong>One week - one month 14%</strong></li>
<li><strong>One month - 90 days 24%</strong></li>
<li><strong>Three - six months 10%</strong></li>
<li><strong>Six months or more 19%</strong></li>
<li><strong>Declined to answer 17%</strong></li>
</ul>
<p>The scary numbers are the first two. 31% don’t think they could make it a month. That’s a scary state of affairs for a lot of people out there. Most advisers recommend 3-6 months in liquid money. According to this survey only a third of Americans measure up to those recommendations though it sounds like from recent reports the current economy may have scared some more money into savings accounts over the last year or so. From my experience lately though people have been spending more time whining about being broke than actually doing something about it&#8230;I guess we&#8217;ll see the next time &#8220;it rains!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>So how does  your family measure up? Post a comment and lets us know (don’t worry you can even use a fakie name if that makes you feel better about yourself) </strong></p>
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<p>*Survey source: LexisNexis Martindale-Hubbell’s Lawyers.com survey of 2,318 adults 18 and older.</p>



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		<dc:creator>Vinny Financio</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I was working on my debts I was told “never hire an accountant whose clients make less money than you” In other words look for people that help you grow.]]></description>
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<p><strong>When the blind lead the blind…get the hell out of the way!</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Have you ever heard that saying? Well as stupid as the saying is it actually has some solid logic to behind it. When I was first working to take out my debts I got some great advice from someone that makes quite a heck of a lot more money than I do (I know that’s hard to believe). Anyway…he told me “never hire an accountant whose client list includes people that make less money than you do.” In other words always look for people that can help you grow into more than you are now instead of the opposite.  </p>
<p>This advice stands true with most of the advice we receive around money (and most anything else for that matter).  If somebody isn’t successful with the particular advice they&#8217;re giving why should you not be a bit skeptical?  This is exactly what many do with our money decision each day. Often we take counsel from people who make poor money decisions. Sometime it’s formal counsel like an advisor and sometimes it’s just a couple guys hanging out having a beer bs’n about a new ski boat. In either case always step back for a second and ask “where’s this information really coming from? </p>
<p>In a business sales seminar I was once taught to “mentally step back” from a negotiation and pretend you are looking in on the conversation like an outsider. The idea being as an observer of <em>both</em> parties you get a better idea of where each party is coming from and where they’re trying to go. Whenever I receive money advice I do this as well, not in lame close my eyes and go to my “happy place” kind of way, but I try to step back and take an intentionally subjective look at what&#8217;s being said. <strong>Who&#8217;s</strong> saying it, <strong>What </strong>they&#8217;re saying, <strong>Where</strong> has their experience and/or expertise come from<strong>, Why</strong> are they really telling this to me, etc. Also you must always understand that some things rub off on us with or without an actual conversation, especially from friends and family. Always be alert to what people around you are saying and doing. If everybody around you is driving around in financed cars or living in homes with absurd mortgages you may find yourself taking their cues.  </p>
<p>With your money you need to be cautious of where you get your guidance. You must always be objective with new information. You must always consider who it’s coming from, where they are coming from, why they are passing these nuggets on to you, and what it has to do with you. Why would you allow people who continually make poor money decisions to advise you on your finances? Sad thing is we all do this stupid move everyday and often don’t even realize its happening.</p>
<p>So what steps can you take to avoid unintentionally honoring advice from broke people?</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Have a solid financial plan </strong>– you don’t have to be rich or have your plan completed but clearly knowing where you are going and how you intend to get there will help you do what you feel is correct not what others tell you is correct.</li>
<li><strong>Continue learning</strong> – the more you know the better information you will have to make more sound decisions. You don’t have to be a genius with your money but if you know more you will have more option available to you</li>
<li>This is a big one….<strong>Don’t hang around with broke people!</strong> Okay, that’s a bit harsh but seriously if the people around you are not helping you reach your goals maybe you should consider how you interact with them. I’m not saying stop talking to your broke family, coworkers or friends (unless you want to, you can blame it on me I don’t mind) but if they’re dragging you out to dinner or continually convince you to do things that you really can’t afford this might be a good time to reevaluate when &amp; where &amp; how you spend time with certain people. They may unintentionally be creating obstacles to you reaching your goals.     </li>
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<p>Step back and look at the advice, influence, or sales pressure and only then can you make a clear decision on your next move. Figure out what works best for you to keep yourself on track and always remember who you’re listening to because sometimes you don’t even realize you’re listening to them (and there’s a fairly reasonable chance they’re an idiot)</p>



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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vinny Financio</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m often asked how does someone function in our current world without the use of a stack of credit cards. Hopefully this page will help clarify why I feel the way I do and how it is possible to function in our society without using or relying on credit cards.
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m often asked how does someone function in our current world without the use of a stack of credit cards. Hopefully this page will help clarify why I feel the way I do and how it <em>is</em> possible to function in our society without using or relying on credit cards.</p>
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<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #800000;">PART 1.</span></span></strong></p>
<p><strong>My lack of credit cards (the why) </strong></p>
<p>Living without a credit card is actually not very complicated. In my opinion it’s actually more simple than living with one. I have now been without a credit card for over two years and have not had to change my lifestyle because of it – well atleast not in a negative way.</p>
<p>First I want to discuss the reasons why I don’t use credit cards. For many people who have “credit card problems” the reason is usually self control or a lack of financial knowledge. Credit cards are often used as a financial crutch to help people limp along when they don’t actually have the money to cover a purchase they can’t resist or truly need in the case of an emergency. Many people can manage credit cards without getting into any major trouble. This was the case for me personally, my credit cards and balances they carried were far from the point of blowing up our finances and we had no trouble handling the payments each month. I was even able to enjoy some of the “rewards” these cards offered to me.</p>
<p>So why did I decide to remove the cards from my wallet if they weren’t causing any problems and was reaping some rewards?  Well folks there were a few reasons…</p>
<p>I didn’t like the feeling of paying for last month’s expenses this month. I hated sending off  money I just received to pay for things I didn’t posses any longer. Even though I may have been able to pay the balances down to zero each month I still felt like my finances were a month behind. The weight of any debt no matter how small has a way wearing on me. The truth is carrying debt takes energy from your life even if it’s only the energy needed to check the statement and send the payment.</p>
<p>Overspending; a Dunn and Bradstreet study is often quoted in blogs, and the major media. The study reports on average you’ll spend 12-18% more when making a purchase with a credit card as opposed to cash. And to prove their point they noted the average McDonald’s transaction increased from $4.50 with cash to $7.00 when credit was used. When they looked at vending machines, the average transaction size nearly doubled.<strong> </strong>Now for me I don’t doubt that I unintentionally spent more using plastic at times (I’ve been guilty of supersizing my life a time or two!) I know for a fact I&#8217;ve done this with the thought that I&#8217;d be getting more perks by adding to what I charge. So even though this was not the key factor for dumping my cards it was defiantly a consideration.    </p>
<p>Paying interest; this is an easy one in my opinion. Why would you save money at low checking or saving account interest rates while carrying a high interest balance on unsecured debt? It just doesn’t make sense to me – why pay interest when with a bit of planning you could be receiving interest? I never quite understood why people will say “don’t pay off you mortgage because you can make more in the stock market” and then use credit cards with 10%-30% interest rates. But it works for you have at it</p>
<p>I also saw no benefit to using a credit card. I know they offered me points, and insurance, and extended warranties and cash back, but to me I realized I was putting up with the issues above and found myself never getting any real benefit from all the extras they were offering me in exchange for dealing with the negatives. And as far as the convenience factor, well to be honest my credit cards weren&#8217;t anymore convenient than my debit card.  This was the big reason I now have no credit cards in my wallet…they do nothing for me, I didn’t see the so called “benefits”</p>
<p>This was my biggest reason….Why spend your time trying to outsmart the credit card companies? This is what they do for a living and they are better at it than I will ever be. True some people can beat them at their own game, charge up the month on credit, pay it off on the 30<sup>th</sup>, never pay fees, never pay interest, and collect the rewards points at the end of the month.  If that’s how you roll and how you want to spend your time and energy. I’d much rather spend my time <em>chillaxin</em> and not worrying about trying to outsmart them while they’re trying to outsmart me. I’m not saying you can’t outsmart these folks but I <em>am</em> saying it’s a lot of damn work! </p>
<p>This was the big reason…. So to briefly summarize why I don’t use credit cards…I don’t like to pay interest, I don’t like to being tempted to over spend, I don’t like the hassle of making the payments on time, and finally I never really received any benefit from the incentives they offered. So basically it came down to multiple negatives and no real positives.</p>
<p>Let’s put it this way….Let’s say you were dating a credit card. She charged high fees when you used her and possibly charged you when you didn’t use her, then tempted you to do things that weren’t in your best interest like overspending, then she drove you crazy by making you pay her a 25 days after the fun was over or risk having to pay her even more, then she offered you restricted “benefits” and “rewards” that you didn’t really care to use and if at any point you fail to keep your promises in the relationship she will call incessantly, threaten you then ultimately drag you into court and win. Then after you and her work out all your monetary issues you realized she never really cared about you in the first place and was <em>only</em> after your money – I don’t think that’s a very healthy relationship. Sorry, no matter how good that hot little number looked being flaunted around town with me I’d have to break it off!</p>
<p>To reinforce my thoughts around credit cards but with a little less Vinny Financio I want to refer back to my post <strong>So When is Debt Okay?  </strong>In this post I lay out four things to consider when determining if a debt is okay. <strong>Rule 1:</strong> <em>Common Sense </em><strong>Rule 2:</strong> <em>A Guaranteed way to repay </em><strong>Rule 3:</strong> <em>Peace of heart and mind </em><strong>Rule 4:</strong> <em>Unity</em>;</p>
<p>In my opinion credit cards do not satisfy the four rules outlining when it is okay to borrow. Well it could fit into rules #1, #3 &amp; #4 <em>Common Sense, Peace of Mind </em>&amp; <em>Unity</em>. Though this all depends on your household situation but in my household we came to “<em>Unity</em>” on the fact that we didn’t see the “<em>Common Sense</em>” in borrowing money day to day and coming to that agreement gave us “<em>Peace of Mind</em>” knowing we were always living on what we had. As for Rule #2 <em>Guaranteed Way</em><em> to Repay</em>; most credit cards I know of don’t have this guarantee built into them. They are only guaranteed by your future income but your future income is only guaranteed to the point that you have sufficient income. Lose your income and you have no guarantee there for it’s not a “<em>Guaranteed Way to Repay</em>.” Credit Cards are not secured by any real property which is why credit cards are referred to as unsecured debt.</p>
<p>I only have one more point to make regarding using any form of debt in your day-to-day life. This one though is intangible and hard to quantify with numbers. The feelings &amp; emotions people feel around having debt in general. In several of my posts I’ve shared the experience others have had with their own personal battles with debt. Here are a few of those quotes:</p>
<blockquote><p>Being away from my family at night is one of most difficult things I’ve had to do.  When I look into my kids eyes though, I know it will be worth it.  -<strong> Jeff, <a title="Deliver Away Debt" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/10/deliver-away-debt/" target="_blank">Deliver Away Debt</a></strong></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>and I think of all our family can do with our money when he comes home. Things like a family vacation paid for with actual money. Out of our checking account and not on credit cards. Amazing.  -<strong> Military Mom, <a title="Military Wife's Killing It!" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/10/deployment-money/" target="_blank">Deployment Money</a></strong></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>he called me the day after our discussion and let me know he cleaned out his wallet to make room for some cash instead. 8 days later he’s still on the wagon as he puts it. I told him he sounds like a recovering crack head, he said that’s about how he feels.  -<strong> Mark, <a title="8 Days Clean" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/09/8-days-clean/" target="_blank">8-days Clean</a></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Now that I’ve laid all this out there for you I want to finish with the thought that you’re all big boys and you can make your own big boy decisions about your finances but that’s my $.02</p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #800000;">Part 2.</span></span></strong></p>
<p><strong>Living without credit cards (the how)</strong></p>
<p>Once I decided I was no longer going to depend on credit cards as a way of making purchases I needed to come up with another option that would allow me to make all the purchases I needed to without cramping my style too much.</p>
<p>There were a couple issues I took consideration before I got rid of all my cards. How was I going to have access to my money anytime &amp; anywhere?  Second how can you function without a credit card, especially since I travel a bit and my wife almost is never carrying much cash? Here is what I came up with and so far it has worked flawlessly for us.</p>
<p>The first thing I did was create a place to stash the money. Since I wanted to have access to this money with the same ease as using a credit card I went for an account with a debit card. I opened a high interest free checking account at a local credit union. This is not the same place we have our primary checking account we use for everyday expenses though. I chose a different bank for our emergency savings for two reasons. One, I wanted to make sure the debit cards we were issued were Mastercard card since our primary debit cards were Visa. Two, I wanted to be linked to a different banking system. Both of these reasons were to ensure that I always had access to money if either Mastercard or Visa had problems or if either of the banks were having technical problems for one reason or another. After working with a credit card fraud team for some time and on the back end of a couple e-commerce websites I realized how inconvenient those issues are and how easily they can arise through no actions of your own. So far to date I haven’t had any issues getting access to my money. </p>
<p>Now that we had a place to stash the money it was time to actually put some money in there. I first opened the account with $1200 we had set aside in our regular savings account. Now that I was going to only rely on this money instead of relying on this money and credit to get by I know I needed to add to this account as quickly as possible. So for a few months any money we could manage to pull out of our budget went directly into that saving account. At the time I was also working a second job to help knock out our debts too, so any money I made there went into this account as soon as we got a hold of it. This all quickly added up to several thousand dollars and now there’s even more. The funny thing is there is more money in there now than I ever had available on my credit cards.   </p>
<p>This new account was only to be used for an emergency and we BOTH had to agree this was an emergency. Since our marriage is based on trust and shared goals there is no issue with us both having easy access to the money. We trusted each other not to let the other down. Plus if either of us was going to screw this up it was probably going to be me.       </p>
<p>So at this point the only thing left to do is stick to our plan. To date we’ve not had any issues that have made me second guess this plan. We’ve traveled, we’ve rented several cars, we’ve bought things over the internet, basically we’ve have done most everything everybody swears they need a credit card but have done it with a debit card. If somebody were to steal my money or I have to disagree with a transaction (both of which I’ve had happen btw) I just grab my other debit card and put gas in the car just like you would with a credit card but without needing to pay it back next month.</p>
<p>To sum it all up….</p>
<ol>
<li>We have more money available; like I said we have more in the account than we ever had available on our cards.</li>
<li>We now earn interest, not a lot but it is adding up. True we didn’t set this money aside for growth but it is a nice bonus to the deal.</li>
<li>We’re never owe anybody at the end of the month and if something were to self destruct in our financial lives we won’t be borrowing money at the exact time it gets most difficult to pay it back.</li>
<li>We have no need to use credit cards and no need to deal with the card companies – I don’t have any personal credit card horror stories but I sure don’t want to start any</li>
</ol>
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<p><strong>People wonder how I can function without a credit card….I wonder why they can’t?</strong></p>
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		<dc:creator>Vinny Financio</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[By wiping out my debts I’m able to invest because I have more available money. Don’t try to do too many things at once pay off debt then save like crazy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s pretty easy to pick some goals  then get off your butt and begin working towards them. It’s also just as easy to focus on too many goals at once. In a previous post <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a title="Take Aim &amp; Kill It" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/09/take-aim-kill-it/" target="_blank">Take Aim &amp; Kill It</a></span> I talk about focusing all your financial resources at your smallest debt and working to eliminate it as rapidly as possible. Here I want to talk about why focusing on your debts <em>now</em> is important to reaching those larger goals further in the distance.</p>
<p>A contractor friend once told me this quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>When you come across an electrical problem and a plumbing problem…don’t try to fix them both at the same time!</p></blockquote>
<p>In other words don’t try to do too many things at once. I decided I would be better served by focusing on debts now which has allowed me to focus more on financing my retirement and reaching those larger goals. I once heard a story about a apartment maintenance man that bought his employer’s apartment complex with <strong>cash</strong> and managed to retire with over $3 million in the bank years later (<em>that story could be  total B.S. but I did hear it</em>). Well the story goes like this…He saved his butt off and even though he wasn’t making a ton of money over time he managed to save up enough dough to buy the small apartment complex he worked at and began creating some wealth. That’s pretty much the story. Instead of spending his money he saved his money and as the story goes eventually had enough dough to make a big fat real estate purchase. My guess is this person was a pretty simple dude and probably kept himself out of debt (I don&#8217; see any other way he could really save up a ton of money like this). The obvious advantage though is that he was able to use his income to build something instead of paying for crap he bought in the past <strong>+</strong> interest.</p>
<p>Even if the story I heard was total B.S. the theory&#8217;s still valid. Freeing up your income by clearing your debts will allow you to stash away more money and collect interest instead of paying interest. Do that long enough and large enough and you could eventually turn that stack of money into investments to replace your income and build some wealth.  In my post<a title="I Call a Do-over" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/09/i-call-do-over/" target="_blank"> I Call a Do-over </a>I talk about some other advantages to freeing yourself from your everyday debts. As long as your income keeps going towards interest payments on credit cards and cars its going to be hard to use this money for much of anything else (it’s hard to save it if you don&#8217;t really get to keep it). So by wiping out my debts I’m now able to save and invest money much more aggressively because I actually have more available money now. </p>
<p>I’m a long way from paying cash for my an apartment building but I’m a whole lot closer now that my money stays with me at the end of the month.  Freeing up my income has now given me access to the one tool I need to begin building some wealth, my income. </p>
<p><strong>If you were able to free yourself up from monthly debt payments what would you do with all that money? </strong></p>



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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vinny Financio</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reality is you only have the opportunity to make so much money during your life. No matter what there is only so much money you'll have access to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reality is you only have the opportunity to make so much money during your life. No matter what career path you choose, no matter how much you get paid, not matter what your investments return, no matter what you inherit, no matter how totaly awesome your blog is!…there&#8217;s only so much money you&#8217;ll have access to during your lifetime.</p>
<p>I was thinking about this the other day when I heard two ladies complaining about their money issues while they were sitting in Starbucks drinking two $4-ish cups of coffee. You can‘t really complain about not having enough for retirement while you&#8217;re sucking down eight bucks worth of coffee (well you can but no one will really care). Even worse I went to lunch recently with a friend who was complaining about how he was broke. That’s not the annoying part though; the annoying part was that he was complaining about being broke while we were driving in his $46,000 Lexus GS350.</p>
<p>My point here is that in both of these cases these people were likely thinking more short term than long term or their problems really weren’t as much of a concern as they were saying it was. Either way I’m fine with it, it’s not <em>my</em> money they’re spending. Though this is something I think about from time to time when I’m making spending and saving decisions. Remember you only get so much money into your life. If you don’t believe me ask an older person I’m sure they’ll tell you what they think about it the idea of infinite money. Ask them if they’d <a title="I Call a Do-over" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/09/i-call-do-over/" target="_blank">take a do-over </a>if they had the chance. Ask them if they would make spending and saving decisions differently if they could.   </p>
<p>So the next time you hit “4-bucks” to grab a mocha or stop by the Lexus dealer to browse think about the fact that you only get so much money between now and the end of this road trip and consider how your decisions today may fit in and affect your life a little further down the road. If you&#8217;re okay with it at that point so am I just don&#8217;t take me to Starbucks in your new Lexus and complain about how your broke because I likely won&#8217;t care too much at that point. Don&#8217;t worry though&#8230;.I&#8217;ll still let you buy my coffee</p>



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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vinny Financio</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It’s hard to dodge the influence of people when you're itching to drop some cash on a purchase. It’s even more difficult to ignore the sales pitches ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s hard to dodge all the input and influence of people around you when you&#8217;re itching to drop some cash on a purchase (especially a big purchase). It’s even more difficult to ignore the marketing and sales pitches that come at you constantly telling you what normal people are doing with their money and how crazy you’d be to not take advantage of the same great offers.</p>
<p>Just ask any car dealer or mortgage broker (or sadly enough many politicians) how much they think you can afford and I bet they tell you it’s more than you thought you could. Case-in-point – Cash for Clunkers program and Adjustable rate mortgages. Both of these programs were designed to quickly and painlessly separate the consumer from their hard earned money. Though these deals sound like they’re out there to benefit the consumer that it really depends on if the consumer is signing up for deal that’s truly in their best interest considering their own situation. Cash for Clunkers is especially financially lethal because it has now encouraged over a million people to close their eyes to common sense and invest in a guaranteed depreciating asset while grabbing their share of the 3-billion dollar* government windfall. According to Kiplinger&#8217;s Magazine it’s estimated a new car looses an average of 20% of it’s value the day it’s purchased. That means for example a $40,000 Lexus ES300 you purchase on Saturday will only be worth $32,000 on Sunday – and this doesn’t even come close to the 65% loss in value over the next 5 years bringing your value down to a pathetic $14,000. Money guy Dave Ramsey has it right when he says <em>&#8220;the worst car accidents happen on the showroom floor</em>.”</p>
<p>I’m all for dropping some cash on your ride but do it because it makes sense for you and your family not because they can’t shut up about it on the news. Remember always, always, always think long term when making financial decisions and if somebody’s telling you it’s too good of a deal to pass up they may be right but make sure you’re the one making that call not them.    </p>
<p>Oh well, at least one good thing came out of this Cash for Clunkers program&#8230;there are now a lot less warn out cars on the road polluting our precious environment with their filthy disgusting “Election ’08” bumper stickers.</p>



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		<title>Micro Paymentality</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vinny Financio</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I sacrificed, no matter how small, when I'd get home I'd immediately make a payment to our next debt in the same amount I just saved myself from spending.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Members of the Financial Planners Association were asked in survey what monthly expenses are the easiest to cut back on. Not surprising, with 81% of the votes, the answer was “Eating one less dinner out per month.”  True, it does seem pretty easy to cut out only one dinner out over an entire month of spending. To me that barely seems like much of a sacrifice at all. </p>
<p>The tough part for me was once I sacrificed a dinner, passed up a mocha, or dodged an evening with friends was putting that salvaged dough to good use. Normally the money would stay in our checking account until I managed to blow it on something else and not making any progress financially even though I “sacrificed” my lifestyle in some way. So I came up with a plan to attempt to pick up these scraps and try to take advantage of every little opportunity I could to crawl further out of the gutter.</p>
<p>It was pretty simple. If I “sacrificed” something, no matter how small, I would note how much money I saved from our budget. Once I get back home I would immediately access our checking account online and make a payment to our next debt in the same amount I just saved myself from spending. In some cases this was this was as small as skipping a $4 iced mocha or as large as us passing on the opportunity to spend a $100 night out with friends. No matter how small the sacrifice was I would transfer the money immediately towards the debts. Yes, this was far from a life changing debt elimination plan but when we added this to what we were already putting towards our the debts it all added up to more progress at the end of the month. Not to mention the motivation that came with making progress almost daily. I also recently used my Micro Paymentality habit and wrote about my <a title="Sick Day Bonus Pay" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/08/sick-days-bonus-pay/#more-35" target="_blank">Sick Day Bonus Pay</a>. I figure I only have to skip those Starbucks mochas 32500 more times and I can afford <a title="The Family Sedan" href="http://www.financialfreakshow.com/2009/09/the-family-sedan/" target="_blank">my new car</a>!</p>
<p><strong>So have you tried this style of making payments? How did it work out for you?</strong></p>



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		<title>My Afternoon Living a Country Song</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vinny Financio</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realized I wasted an evening where I should have been writing. This happened mostly because I began something without a reasonable plan in place]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunday evening I was thinking I needed to get to work on another post. While jumping around the internet looking up some info for a future post I stumbled across a Netflix popup. I was now officially distracted. Once I wa sin my Netflix account I found myself plugging my laptop into my TV a pressing play on a &#8220;Watch Instantly&#8221; program called <a title="Cocaine Cowboys" href="http://www.cocainecowboys.co.uk/flash/#/synopsis" target="_blank">Cocaine Cowboys</a> and threw myself onto the couch to become immersed for the next two hours in the life of Miami&#8217;s 1980&#8217;s big time, big money, real life cocaine dealers.</p>
<p>Two hours later the lady I live with (aka. my wife) came home and with a smirk asked how my writing was going.  I then told her how I had killed two full hours just hanging out on the couch. That’s when it hit me…my evening sounded like that Kenny Chesney song</p>
<blockquote><p> <em>So I&#8217;ll just s</em><em>it right here, have another beer in Mexico d</em><em>o my best to waste another day</em></p>
<p>-Kenny Chesney</p></blockquote>
<p>I realized I wasted an entire evening when I should have been writing. Looking back it seem this happened because I began something without a reasonable plan in place. I was easily distracted since I started without any direction right from the beginning. This is what many people do financially everyday. Normal people rarely move forward financially with any real plan, strategy or focus. They look up and realize they&#8217;re in debt with no emergency fund and no viable strategy for anything different in the future. As a FinancialFreak you should devise and follow a plan to win financially, which is sadly not the norm (thats why were freaks &#8211; we&#8217;re not normal). True there will be many corrections and adjustments to the plan along the way but at least your not just along for the ride your instead driving the bus.</p>
<p> So next time you get the urge to sit on the couch waiting to see what low fat recipe Oprah&#8217;s pimping this week or which stars can’t dance or who’s getting thrown off the island. Here are a couple ideas of things you could do instead….</p>
<p><strong>Evaluate your financial position</strong> – create a personal balance sheet (what you have minus what you owe – third grade math I think even you can pull that off!)</p>
<p><strong>Create a monthly spending plan</strong> for you household (again third grade math)</p>
<p><strong>Write down you financial goals;</strong> 1yr, 5yr, 20yr etc.</p>
<p><strong>Devise a plan</strong> to realistically accomplish your goals  </p>
<p><strong>Maybe even take a few minutes</strong> to discuss your thoughts about the household finances with your significant other</p>
<p><strong>Read something </strong>- improve some aspect of your life you feel needs attention (work, relationship, or maybe visit some older post on this site – you just might learn something&#8230;.or not)</p>
<p>Then again maybe I&#8217;ll just sit right here and have another beer&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>What advice do you have for those that struggle to keep their focus for the long-haul? What do you do to keep yourself on task?</strong></p>



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		<title>Spending Sort of Happens</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 13:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vinny Financio</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Monthly spending is often a byproduct of us just living our busy lives. So here’s a few steps I recommend to insure everything falls into line]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many cases monthly spending just sort of happens. Then at the end of the month you look up and say something like “<em>What the ****! Where did it all our money go</em>” or if things worked out more in your favor it may sound something like “<em>Woohoo! I get paid tomorrow and there’s still money in my account…who&#8217;s yo&#8217; daddy now!</em>” Either way this is often a byproduct of us just living our busy lives. So here’s a few steps I recommend to insure you’re yelling “<em>Woohoo</em>”<strong> </strong>with somebody more often than you’re yelling “<em>What the ****!</em>” at sombody.</p>
<p>Don’t worry this one&#8217;s pretty easy I promise.</p>
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<li>Figure out what you’ve got coming in each month and where the heck it’s all going.</li>
<li>Next figure out what you can cut back on (ex. heat, clothing for the kids, food, you know the unnecessary stuff) and what you&#8217;re not able to cut back on (ex. booze, smokes, online gambling – you know the important stuff in life) &#8211; <em>FYI, that was a joke</em></li>
<li>Begin making some tough decisions and adjust your budget accordingly. Apply the extra money toward your goals– make sure everybody involved comes to agreement on this stuff</li>
<li>Come up with a cool way to track you progress. A nifty spread sheet is what I used (but I’m sorta nerdy) Another idea may be to put a big list on the fridge where you can see it everyday and cross things off as you go (ask any kindergarten teacher, this may sound lame but it works!) Use what works best for you and helps keep you on track towards your bigger goals. </li>
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<p>The important thing here is to work on refining your money habits to accomplish the things that really matter to you. Personal finance in many cases is more of a psychological game than a numbers game so play to win. Many of us make enough to accomplish our goals but don’t always behave in ways that allow us to.</p>
<blockquote><p> If I&#8217;ve got correct goals, and if I keep pursuing them the best way I know how, everything falls into line.  <strong>-Dan Dierdorf</strong></p></blockquote>



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